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"Blue Oval" Group Build - Tribute to Henry
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Posted: Monday, September 16, 2019 - 10:31 AM UTC
Rowan,
I honestly can't remember a time when your plate wasn't full. But now it's usually overflowing.

I'm certain that once you get into that Ford build, you'll just be caught up in it, and get that Old Timer built and on home display.

Joel
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Posted: Monday, September 16, 2019 - 10:36 AM UTC
Dennis,
Hope that you start to feel better sooner then later. The list will always be here when you're ready to go into more planned details of your build.

I'm sure that I speak for most of us when I say that we're looking forward to your build blog, and seeing exactly how you accomplish all those corrections and added details. Should prove to be a 1st for our list, as I don't recall seeing any Metal miniatures on these pages before.

Since you're not going to be joining our GB, please remember to start your build blog thread in the Car forum, as only enlistees can post their builds in the GB Thread. However, you can post your comments on any of the builds in the GB Thread

Joel
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Posted: Monday, September 16, 2019 - 10:41 AM UTC
Michael,
Now that's a classic for sure.

Joel
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Posted: Monday, September 16, 2019 - 10:44 AM UTC
David,
Didn't you just get back from another Business trip? Hope that the time flies, and you're back home and online with us asap. As for your destinations, I have fond memories of Monticello, Spring Valley, and Wurstburo, as we summered up there in the 1950's.

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Posted: Monday, September 16, 2019 - 11:38 AM UTC

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David,
Didn't you just get back from another Business trip? Hope that the time flies, and you're back home and online with us asap. As for your destinations, I have fond memories of Monticello, Spring Valley, and Wurstburo, as we summered up there in the 1950's.

Joel



Yes, I was in Houston last week, and Vernon/Ellington CT over the weekend for a Jeep charity event.

This week is personal Jeep trip, then a week at home and then a week in Tremont, PA for a another wheeling trip. After the wheeling trip I have another business trip planned to go to Pittsburgh, PA for a week. Which should take me to the middle of October. This is my busiest time of the year.
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Posted: Monday, September 16, 2019 - 04:07 PM UTC
I swooped by my LHS today to grab a couple of jars of paint, and found this staring at me from the shelf. It doesn't have a Ford badge prominent on it, but hang the rules, I'm going to build it anyway!






Now, I've never had a serious go at figure painting, so this could be disastrous or hilarious, most likely both!

Cheers, D
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Posted: Tuesday, September 17, 2019 - 12:36 AM UTC
D,
WTG!!

I've also got my 1st figure ever to review later. Like you, I've never attempted one. So I'll be following your lead and progress carefully.

Joel
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Posted: Tuesday, September 17, 2019 - 12:38 AM UTC

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David,
Didn't you just get back from another Business trip? Hope that the time flies, and you're back home and online with us asap. As for your destinations, I have fond memories of Monticello, Spring Valley, and Wurstburo, as we summered up there in the 1950's.

Joel



Yes, I was in Houston last week, and Vernon/Ellington CT over the weekend for a Jeep charity event.

This week is personal Jeep trip, then a week at home and then a week in Tremont, PA for a another wheeling trip. After the wheeling trip I have another business trip planned to go to Pittsburgh, PA for a week. Which should take me to the middle of October. This is my busiest time of the year.



David,
You're on the road more then at home this time of the year. Sure hope that the slow season isn't anything like this.

Joel
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Posted: Tuesday, September 17, 2019 - 07:44 AM UTC
Hi again

I'm pleased to say I'll be able to join in as soon as the Campaign starts because the 1940 Ford arrived way ahead of the quoted delivery date!



I'll get the review done before the start date and be all set to go.

All the best

Rowan
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Posted: Tuesday, September 17, 2019 - 09:02 AM UTC
Rowan,
Now that's impressive. The box is in perfect condition and still shrinked wrapped.

Joel
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Posted: Wednesday, September 18, 2019 - 05:34 AM UTC
D,
Got a question for you.

I bought the Revell Trans Am Roush Mustang on ebay a while ago. The box was opened, and a lot of the parts were loose.

The body sections were pretty well scratched up, so I polished them so that they're ready for primer. The chassis/pan also was loose and had it's share of scratches, nicks, and even a chip, so I polished and repaired it. Unfortunately, I also had puttied the sink holes on the bottom of the pan. Then stored the kit in 3 different boxes.

Since this is the kit was I'm planning on entering in GB, and it's has been technically started, is it still ok to build it?

Even though I'm the GB leader, since the question is about my build, I thought it only fair to all to let you make the decision?

Joel
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Posted: Wednesday, September 18, 2019 - 06:35 AM UTC
Joel, for Aeroscale builds there's a nominal 25% rule. That is if the model is less than 25% complete at the start date, it qualifies. I think someone tried to do a detailed listing of completeness steps, But it's often assumed to be interior complete, but not having the fuselage halves glued together. Sounds to me like you're well below 25%.
Throw it out to the group, but something less than having the engine or cabin complete sounds like an OK starting condition.
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Posted: Wednesday, September 18, 2019 - 06:56 AM UTC

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Joel, for Aeroscale builds there's a nominal 25% rule. That is if the model is less than 25% complete at the start date, it qualifies. I think someone tried to do a detailed listing of completeness steps, But it's often assumed to be interior complete, but not having the fuselage halves glued together. Sounds to me like you're well below 25%.
Throw it out to the group, but something less than having the engine or cabin complete sounds like an OK starting condition.



Mark,
I kind of remember something to that effect. Even though I'm the GB Leader, I felt that I shouldn't make any decisions on my own build.

the body sections were pretty well beaten up when I got the kit, so I wanted to make sure it could be brought back to the New standard, which it is. Same for the chassis pan, then I boxed everything up, and totally forgot about that work.

Of course everyone can offer their insight, but the decision should be Damian's.

Joel
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Posted: Wednesday, September 18, 2019 - 10:54 AM UTC
Personally, I have no issue with allowing kits that have been started and I think the 25% rule is a reasonable benchmark, so by the sounds of it your Mustang is good to go Joel.

Like I said in an earlier post, for me these Group Builds are by no means some sort of competition with the ribbon as a prize, they are simply a gathering of like minded folks enjoying and supporting each other in their hobby and building to a theme.

Cheers, D
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Posted: Wednesday, September 18, 2019 - 11:31 AM UTC

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Hi again

I'm pleased to say I'll be able to join in as soon as the Campaign starts because the 1940 Ford arrived way ahead of the quoted delivery date!



I'll get the review done before the start date and be all set to go.

All the best

Rowan



Hi, Rowan!

Another one of my favorite Fords- The 1940 Ford Coupe And the Deluxe Coupe of the same year... I have three of these in my inventory...
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Posted: Wednesday, September 18, 2019 - 12:50 PM UTC
Sometime back I remember seeing the Mercury Cougar noted as a potential for the Blue Oval Build. Did I dream that/ Is Merc permitted as part of Blue Oval? If so, I sure have a special one that I'd like to enter.
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Sometime back I remember seeing the Mercury Cougar noted as a potential for the Blue Oval Build. Did I dream that/ Is Merc permitted as part of Blue Oval? If so, I sure have a special one that I'd like to enter.



Hi Patrick. One of the criteria is that the "FORD" name must be visible on the vehicle somewhere. If it is anywhere to be found on your kit (could be on the engine block, air filter, dashboard, steering wheel, hubcaps) then you are good to go.

Cheers, D

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Personally, I have no issue with allowing kits that have been started and I think the 25% rule is a reasonable benchmark, so by the sounds of it your Mustang is good to go Joel.

Like I said in an earlier post, for me these Group Builds are by no means some sort of competition with the ribbon as a prize, they are simply a gathering of like minded folks enjoying and supporting each other in their hobby and building to a theme.

Cheers, D



D,
My exact feelings as well. But I did think that it was important as the GB leader, whose intending to use a started kit, to take the same approval road as anyone other member would trying to follow the rules. And I certainly felt that I had to recuse myself from that decision.

And thanks for the thumbs up as I'm really looking forward to this build, the series, the team owner, & the drivers are all very special to me.

Joel
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Posted: Thursday, September 19, 2019 - 12:11 AM UTC

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Sometime back I remember seeing the Mercury Cougar noted as a potential for the Blue Oval Build. Did I dream that/ Is Merc permitted as part of Blue Oval? If so, I sure have a special one that I'd like to enter.



Patrick,
Yes you did see a few Mercs previously posted. The issue was for the most part, Mercury & Lincoln/Mercury are divisions of the parent company Ford, and not true Fords as the rules calls for in the GB. That is why we made the deciding factor for all entries as Damian has stated, must have the Blue Circle emblem or Ford name somewhere on the car.

Joel
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Sometime back I remember seeing the Mercury Cougar noted as a potential for the Blue Oval Build. Did I dream that/ Is Merc permitted as part of Blue Oval? If so, I sure have a special one that I'd like to enter.



Patrick,
Yes you did see a few Mercs previously posted. The issue was for the most part, Mercury & Lincoln/Mercury are divisions of the parent company Ford, and not true Fords as the rules calls for in the GB. That is why we made the deciding factor for all entries as Damian has stated, must have the Blue Circle emblem or Ford name somewhere on the car.

Joel



If I may be a trouble-maker again, Lincoln/Mercury used a veritable GALAXIE of "FORD" parts in "their" cars... The misspelling of "galaxy" is DEFINITELY ON PURPOSE-

Even though L/M had their own design teams, and through the years DID use some of the various Ford Engines, Transmissions and other major components, the L/M cars did need to hold on to their own "identities" with plusher, more luxurious Interiors and distinctly different body-designs, along with the correspondingly different sheet-metal and trim components. One can go to any FORD dealer even today, and still find many new, old stock OEM Lincoln/Mercury parts inside their original Ford AND L/M packaging- These are/were mainly the "unseen" components; Wiper Motors, Starters, Radios, (made by Ford/Motorola), Power Window components, certain models' Windshields, (made by LOF- Libbey-Owens/Ford), Brake-systems, Power-steering components, Steel Rims and Suspension Components, and the list just goes on and on, forever...

It's the same with GM cars and what used to be Dodge Chrysler/Plymouth. Many internal parts of GM cars, (for many years, Cadillac, Buick, Oldsmobile, Pontiac, Chevrolet and GMC Trucks), "crossed over" between marques and, well, as far as the Chrysler cars are concerned, "MOPAR" is basically self-explanatory. The "independent" car-makers are too broad of an area to go into at this time...

I'm not going to go into any huge amount of detail, but suffice to say that, "A Lincoln or a Mercury is not a Ford", isn't quite true. But as we all know, all three marques DID have a bit of their own identity and their own customer bases...

VR, Dennis

PS- The Fords of the late 1930s displayed "FORD" in chromed block-lettering and in 1949, the "Ford Crest", along with the above-mentioned "FORD" block-lettering was introduced, not a "blue Oval". These were displayed on Ford cars' exteriors and interiors through the 1950s and into the early 1960s. Mercuries and Lincolns of course, had their own "Crests", lettering-styles and other logos and "gew-gaws", displaying their marques' identities, and were for many years sold in separate Lincoln and Mercury dealerships. Then, the Lincoln and Mercury marques were consolidated under "one roof", so to speak, and became the Lincoln/Mercury division of Ford Motor Company. Mercury has gone by the wayside, Plymouth is gone, and Oldsmobile and Pontiac have also disappeared... Kinda sad, really...

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Posted: Thursday, September 19, 2019 - 07:19 AM UTC
Dennis,
When this topic 1st came up, we decided that other divisions within the Ford Corp structure wouldn't be within the bounds of the Ford GB. As far as I can remember, which isn't all encompassing, Mercury, Lincoln, and Lincoln/Mercury are branded as such, not as Fords.

Joel
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Posted: Thursday, September 19, 2019 - 07:52 AM UTC

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Hi again

I'm pleased to say I'll be able to join in as soon as the Campaign starts because the 1940 Ford arrived way ahead of the quoted delivery date!



I'll get the review done before the start date and be all set to go.

All the best

Rowan



Hi, Rowan!

Another one of my favorite Fords- The 1940 Ford Coupe And the Deluxe Coupe of the same year... I have three of these in my inventory...



Nice one Dennis!

It'll be great to have you on board as I tackle this kit. As a dyed-in-the-wool aircraft modeller, every car kit is something a of a voyage of discovery for me - with American subjects like this even more so.

I hope you can overcome your camera issues to show your progress on the metal models because they would make for a really interesting angle on what's normally covered here.

On a side note, many years ago I used to know a guy who worked for either Danbury or Franklin Mint in the UK (I don't remember which) - and I loved his answer when I asked about their "limited edition" releases. It was, basically "Yes, they are limited... - limited to how many we can produce running 365 days a year."

All the best

Rowan
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Inspiration pics for "T minus 10 and counting" are for you Rowan, the 1940 Standard Coupe.






Cheers, D
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Love that look. I think my uncle had one, it might have been a Deluxe he also had a '39.
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Love that look. I think my uncle had one, it might have been a Deluxe he also had a '39.



Such a "classic design", even though no Ford was ever deemed a "classic car". There were only a few minor details, (different Grilles being one of them), that were different between the '39 and the '40-'42 Fords. It was in February of 1942 that due to the War Emergency, American Auto-makers were required to terminate regular auto manufacturing, and to start re-tooling for War Emergency production.

Some actually not very trivial Ford trivia:

Ford "War-Production" products were, Ford's versions of the famous "Jeep" 1/4 Ton Truck, (It was actually Ford that built the vast bulk of "Jeep"-production; Willys couldn't keep up with the demand), the Ford GAA Gasoline Engine, used in the M4A3 Medium "Sherman" Tanks, and the B-24J Heavy Bombers, which were built at the then very controversial Ford Willow Run plant... Wags called it the "Will it Run" plant...