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Posted: Wednesday, February 13, 2019 - 12:37 AM UTC
Gabriel my friend, between this build and Joel's Porsche, you two are really showing what can be achieved with skills and patience. Too often I have seen potentially great builds ending up looking very average because the modeler just wanted to get it finished and on the shelf, and took the "that will do" attitude. Both of you have identified and rectified any issues without fuss, and this truly shows in the quality of what you are showing us.
The 2K clear on this build has come up beautifully and it give the body the look of a concourse level classic.
Keep up the great work, and keep the updates coming.

Cheers, D
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Posted: Wednesday, February 13, 2019 - 02:59 AM UTC
D,
You're making me blush.

Gabriel,
Is that the glass from the Mac?
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Posted: Thursday, February 14, 2019 - 12:55 AM UTC

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Gabriel my friend, between this build and Joel's Porsche, you two are really showing what can be achieved with skills and patience. Too often I have seen potentially great builds ending up looking very average because the modeler just wanted to get it finished and on the shelf, and took the "that will do" attitude. Both of you have identified and rectified any issues without fuss, and this truly shows in the quality of what you are showing us.
The 2K clear on this build has come up beautifully and it give the body the look of a concourse level classic.
Keep up the great work, and keep the updates coming.

Cheers, D



Thanks, D.! This is a very rewarding comment indeed.
I have to confess that sometimes I'm letting myself taken by that "that will do" attitude, but this time the shelf is not mine and on this build depend another few... so no concessions this time!

Yes, 2K is a very high performance clear - I owe the finish to it (see infra).

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Posted: Thursday, February 14, 2019 - 12:57 AM UTC

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Gabriel,
Is that the glass from the Mac?
Joel



Yes, that was the windshield from Mack.

Gabriel
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Posted: Thursday, February 14, 2019 - 01:16 AM UTC
UPDATE - Last Lap!

I was mentioning earlier that I still had to deal with the few grains of dried 2K on the surface. My Proxxon made quick job of them, helped by Novus 2 polishing compound and a buffer wheel. The downward is that I had to trade the natural "still water" finish of the resin with the polished finish. Surprisingly enough, the customer says he like it more like this:

The main culprits in this operation were the H&S Evolution with .4mm setup and No Name 2K by SprayGunner.









With the body definitively sealed, my build just passed into the last lap. On the sprue there are still 3 unpainted parts: the radiator hoses and the radiator bracket.
The exterior chrome remains the one on the sprues, on customer's request. Also on customer's request, no extra piping / electric wires to be added in the engine bay, because he wants the body and the chassis + interior to be packed separatedly, to avoid damage during shipping. Both requests are actually time saving for me.

Cheers!
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Posted: Thursday, February 14, 2019 - 03:23 AM UTC
Looking real sharp.

Think I might try to polish to shine before I tackle a paint job like this.

Good job, man
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Posted: Thursday, February 14, 2019 - 03:45 AM UTC
Gabriel,
Just an outstanding finish. The shine is just like the real deal would be after coming back from a professional car detailer.

Strange that your customer would prefer to have the body and chassis shipped separately, hence, no additional engine bay detailing. I would think that having the chassis & body joined, and with the hood down, that the entire engine compartment would be the most secure area of the car during shipping. But as you said, it's the owners request, so be it.

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Posted: Thursday, February 14, 2019 - 03:52 AM UTC
I need to find me a step by step guide to use Alclad. Then sticky the thread. Wouldn't mind trying the stuff, but it seems finicky.
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Posted: Thursday, February 14, 2019 - 04:30 AM UTC

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I need to find me a step by step guide to use Alclad. Then sticky the thread. Wouldn't mind trying the stuff, but it seems finicky.



Charlie,
Here's the link for the Alcad home page, as everything you need to shoot Alcad is there.

http://alclad2.com/

Also, You tube has dozens and dozens of Vids on using Alcads. The key is to follow a few of the better known modelers who actually have a lot of experience with it.

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Posted: Thursday, February 14, 2019 - 05:40 AM UTC
Really? We're not gonna see it all put together?

That's it! I'm going home before I get angry. People don't like it when I get angry.
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Posted: Thursday, February 14, 2019 - 10:06 AM UTC

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Looking real sharp.

Think I might try to polish to shine before I tackle a paint job like this.

Good job, man



Thank you, Charlie. Ex Dicta Gabrielis: [ ] "Treat every single layer of primer / paint as is the last one." Every fault in the first layer will be carried into and amplified by the second one and so on...

Polished primer:


Ready for color:


Ready for 2K:



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I need to find me a step by step guide to use Alclad. Then sticky the thread. Wouldn't mind trying the stuff, but it seems finicky.


My short guide to spraying Alclads:
1. Plastic surface needs to be well polished and refined before base coat;
2. Apply a wet black basecoat (any gloss enamel / lacquer) - the glossier the undercoat, the better the metallic result;
3. Drain and flush the A/B, then apply Alclad in fast paces over the still wet black. A/B pressure @ 18-20 psi, fine atomization nozzle (I usually use my H&S Infinity with .15mm setup).
4. If the surface is "dusty", polish out with soft cloth (cotton bud), minimal pressure applied, after the Alclad is completely dried.

I hope this helps. As Joel suggested, there are many video examples on YT. By trial and error, you need to find your own "best" method.

Gabriel
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Posted: Thursday, February 14, 2019 - 10:25 AM UTC

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Gabriel,
Strange that your customer would prefer to have the body and chassis shipped separately, hence, no additional engine bay detailing. I would think that having the chassis & body joined, and with the hood down, that the entire engine compartment would be the most secure area of the car during shipping. But as you said, it's the owners request, so be it.

Joel



Joel, it seems strange indeed, but there is a good reason behind it. Luigi is familiar with the near-disaster in Mack DM600 case, where the truck was torn apart by customs officers (probably searching for drugs) and it has to be re-built after reaching the destination. He figured out is better to have to re-do a few details from the engine than to have damage to the body which he cannot repair.

https://www.facebook.com/100004103019729/posts/1578233328990086/

Gabriel

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Posted: Thursday, February 14, 2019 - 10:35 AM UTC

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Really? We're not gonna see it all put together?

That's it! I'm going home before I get angry. People don't like it when I get angry.



Patrick, not even I couldn't accept such a bad deal !
No. The build will be completed for the final video / photo session, but the body and the chassis + interior won't be glued. The external mirror and the antenna will be just tacked in place with white glue. After photo session, the antenna, the mirror, the wheels, the hood, the hood supports and license plates will be shipped dismounted; the body and the chassis in separate bubble wrap shrouds.

Yes, logistics are the worst part of the "business".

Gabriel
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Posted: Thursday, February 14, 2019 - 10:51 AM UTC
Gabriel,
Just how much drugs or even plastic explosives did they figure you could have squeezed into a plastic model truck? What an absolute mess they made of it.

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Posted: Thursday, February 14, 2019 - 10:51 AM UTC

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My short guide to spraying Alclads:
1. Plastic surface needs to be well polished and refined before base coat;
2. Apply a wet black basecoat (any gloss enamel / lacquer) - the glossier the undercoat, the better the metallic result;
3. Drain and flush the A/B, then apply Alclad in fast paces over the still wet black. A/B pressure @ 18-20 psi, fine atomization nozzle (I usually use my H&S Infinity with .15mm setup).
4. If the surface is "dusty", polish out with soft cloth (cotton bud), minimal pressure applied, after the Alclad is completely dried.

I hope this helps. As Joel suggested, there are many video examples on YT. By trial and error, you need to find your own "best" method.

Gabriel



I am already learning so much. I might have to try it on some spoons if I can get my hands on some.
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Posted: Thursday, February 14, 2019 - 10:56 AM UTC

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I am already learning so much. I might have to try it on some spoons if I can get my hands on some.



That's the best thing you can do, indeed. Good luck and please don't get disappointed after a first error! I've been struggling for years with the metallics in the Caribbean climate.

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Posted: Thursday, February 14, 2019 - 10:46 PM UTC

Gabriel,
that is for sure an awesome build!

And it's hard to follow up your progress in time because of your speed. Can't sum up all the efforts you put in with a few justifying words. No one ever can pay you a fair amount for all the do's, redo's ...period, especially on the paint.

The upholstery looks way better now as well as the interior does and all the exterior paint looks great.

It's just a bit irritating that all the paint coats builded up a few solid spots in the door frames. And is there anything under the paint or a scratch on the left frame/door side? It pops a bit out regarding the whole beautiful chassis work







Keep on your great modelling, Th mas
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Posted: Friday, February 15, 2019 - 01:16 AM UTC
Thomas, that's German quality control !
That was just a piece of lint (some paper fiber I guess, from a paper towel), on the surface of the model. When polished, because of the smooth surface, the body charges electrostatic and attracts all sorts of small "flufies"


The dots you see in the door frames, are in fact polishing compound which I haven't cleaned up yet, because it's easier to be cleaned out when dry and crumbles than when still wet and spreading. And a wash will follow there as well, to enhance the depth of the "Luft".

In all honesty, there are still a few imperfect spots on the model, but in the awkward positions, where I cannot take the risk to polish them out, for fear of nudging the edges. Also I'm not entirely happy with Novus 2 performance - I am waiting for my Tamiya finishing compounds right now to arrive from Canada.
If to consider making models for pay, probably is the worst paid job in the world: just a few cents / hr The idea here to inject back a few pennies from what I'm spending just to can keep buying models (not very smart, I know )

Thank you for watching in such depth my build - it means I have grabbed your interest

Gabriel
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Posted: Friday, February 15, 2019 - 01:30 AM UTC
UPDATE - on the go
Again, not much time at my disposal these days, but I still managed to throw a layer of 2K on the hood. That hood was troublesome from the good beginning, because the raised rib and the curved corners. This time I tried and sprayed the 2K with a .15 setup, because the small surface and I didn't wanted to drench it heavily. Only that my calculus was wrong again: It takes actually more resin with a small setup to achieve a wet surface
However, there she is, with the inherent few "grits" on the surface (I cannot wait for those compounds!).



The last two "big" problems I have is to print a decal to emulate the windshield liquid pouch:

That is a big splash of color that cannot be ignored in the engine compartment. AMT were kindly enough to provide all decals as doubles, but they never thought of that pouch, which is accordingly molded on the sidewall

The other "biggie" is the chrome lines on the headliner.

By the original finish, I should have them done in BMF, but the space is too tight for my modeling knife, and probably I'm gonna end up picking them with a silver felt pen

Gabriel
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Posted: Friday, February 15, 2019 - 02:25 AM UTC
Gabriel,
The hood looks great. Well done.

I'm looking forward to seeing your homemade decals for the pouch. that should add just a touch more color to the engine compartment.

Don't forget that the easiest way to clean all that dried polish and wax is with your air brush and plain old water.

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Posted: Friday, February 15, 2019 - 03:02 AM UTC

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UPDATE - on the go
Again, not much time at my disposal these days, but I still managed to throw a layer of 2K on the hood. That hood was troublesome from the good beginning, because the raised rib and the curved corners. This time I tried and sprayed the 2K with a .15 setup, because the small surface and I didn't wanted to drench it heavily. Only that my calculus was wrong again: It takes actually more resin with a small setup to achieve a wet surface
However, there she is, with the inherent few "grits" on the surface (I cannot wait for those compounds!).



The last two "big" problems I have is to print a decal to emulate the windshield liquid pouch:

That is a big splash of color that cannot be ignored in the engine compartment. AMT were kindly enough to provide all decals as doubles, but they never thought of that pouch, which is accordingly molded on the sidewall

The other "biggie" is the chrome lines on the headliner.

By the original finish, I should have them done in BMF, but the space is too tight for my modeling knife, and probably I'm gonna end up picking them with a silver felt pen

Gabriel



Have you ever tried those Molotow pens? I got one on my bench and it seems like it would be perfect for this.
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Posted: Friday, February 15, 2019 - 12:25 PM UTC

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Gabriel,
The hood looks great. Well done.

I'm looking forward to seeing your homemade decals for the pouch. that should add just a touch more color to the engine compartment.

Don't forget that the easiest way to clean all that dried polish and wax is with your air brush and plain old water.

Joel



Thanks, Joel!

Good idea with the A/B. I'll give it a try.

Gabriel
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Posted: Saturday, February 16, 2019 - 02:15 PM UTC

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Gabriel,
Just how much drugs or even plastic explosives did they figure you could have squeezed into a plastic model truck? What an absolute mess they made of it.

Joel



Sorry, Joel. Only now, re-reading the thread, I have seen this posting of yours.
Well, after they pulled apart the cab, they must have figured out already there's nothing inside. But probably they got frustrated or are just brainless zealots.

Gabriel
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Posted: Saturday, February 16, 2019 - 02:23 PM UTC

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Have you ever tried those Molotow pens? I got one on my bench and it seems like it would be perfect for this.



I haven't used it yet, Charlie. I've heard they're very good, but also they dry very slowly (from this last reason I never bought them). Indeed, in this case seemingly would have been the perfect thing, because after I do the headliner inserts, I have no reason to fiddle with them anymore.
I will add one on my shopping list.

Cheers!
Gabriel
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Posted: Sunday, February 17, 2019 - 04:35 AM UTC

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Have you ever tried those Molotow pens? I got one on my bench and it seems like it would be perfect for this.



I haven't used it yet, Charlie. I've heard they're very good, but also they dry very slowly (from this last reason I never bought them). Indeed, in this case seemingly would have been the perfect thing, because after I do the headliner inserts, I have no reason to fiddle with them anymore.
I will add one on my shopping list.

Cheers!
Gabriel



Gabriel,
I've heard the same. So I purchased two other brands from my local big box Arts & Craft store. They weren't cheap, but work great.

Joel