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Posted: Thursday, February 14, 2019 - 12:57 AM UTC

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Gabriel,
Is that the glass from the Mac?
Joel



Yes, that was the windshield from Mack.

Gabriel
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Posted: Thursday, February 14, 2019 - 12:55 AM UTC

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Gabriel my friend, between this build and Joel's Porsche, you two are really showing what can be achieved with skills and patience. Too often I have seen potentially great builds ending up looking very average because the modeler just wanted to get it finished and on the shelf, and took the "that will do" attitude. Both of you have identified and rectified any issues without fuss, and this truly shows in the quality of what you are showing us.
The 2K clear on this build has come up beautifully and it give the body the look of a concourse level classic.
Keep up the great work, and keep the updates coming.

Cheers, D



Thanks, D.! This is a very rewarding comment indeed.
I have to confess that sometimes I'm letting myself taken by that "that will do" attitude, but this time the shelf is not mine and on this build depend another few... so no concessions this time!

Yes, 2K is a very high performance clear - I owe the finish to it (see infra).

Gabriel
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Posted: Wednesday, February 13, 2019 - 02:59 AM UTC
D,
You're making me blush.

Gabriel,
Is that the glass from the Mac?
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Posted: Wednesday, February 13, 2019 - 12:37 AM UTC
Gabriel my friend, between this build and Joel's Porsche, you two are really showing what can be achieved with skills and patience. Too often I have seen potentially great builds ending up looking very average because the modeler just wanted to get it finished and on the shelf, and took the "that will do" attitude. Both of you have identified and rectified any issues without fuss, and this truly shows in the quality of what you are showing us.
The 2K clear on this build has come up beautifully and it give the body the look of a concourse level classic.
Keep up the great work, and keep the updates coming.

Cheers, D
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Posted: Tuesday, February 12, 2019 - 02:50 PM UTC

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Your undercarriage turned out beautiful man! Agree the rad core support is too thick, not much can be done about it tho, it's a structural part. And I've always wondered who the demented genius was who thought of pledge for Windows and canopies. All those hours wasted polishing out the slightest scratch......



Thanks, Patrick!
It is never as easy as that In my Mack DM600 build the surface was so wavy you could go surfing on them








Cheers!
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Posted: Tuesday, February 12, 2019 - 02:37 PM UTC

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Gabriel,
The gloss finish is truly outstanding. Well done my friend.
Joel



Thanks, Joel!
The finish is quite good, but I could use your skills for a final polish / shine

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Posted: Tuesday, February 12, 2019 - 02:31 PM UTC

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So much going on here Gabriel, but all in all good progress!




Thanks, Russ!
Yes, it was quite an eventful build, but hopefully is reaching a good end.

Cheers!
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Posted: Tuesday, February 12, 2019 - 02:28 PM UTC

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I'm so glad to see, you've managed to fix the clear coat without having to start all over. Awesome job my friend.



Thanks, Jesper! I was quite confident actually because 2K is very resilient. I was more upset about the waste of time and 2K (quite expensive the stuff). But it seems is going to be happy ending.

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Posted: Tuesday, February 12, 2019 - 02:22 PM UTC

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Hi Gabriel - quite an interesting read catching up on your progress - the body looks show room ready! It looks great - as does the rest of the build - Im sure your client will love this!

Cheers
Nick



Thanks, Nick, for taking the time and read the blog. Yes, the owner is happy and cannot wait to put his hands on the model. I am also quite content with the way this build went so far.

Cheers!
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Posted: Tuesday, February 12, 2019 - 06:11 AM UTC
Your undercarriage turned out beautiful man! Agree the rad core support is too thick, not much can be done about it tho, it's a structural part. And I've always wondered who the demented genius was who thought of pledge for Windows and canopies. All those hours wasted polishing out the slightest scratch......
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Posted: Tuesday, February 12, 2019 - 02:55 AM UTC
Gabriel,
The gloss finish is truly outstanding. Well done my friend.
Joel
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Posted: Monday, February 11, 2019 - 10:12 PM UTC
So much going on here Gabriel, but all in all good progress!

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Posted: Monday, February 11, 2019 - 06:30 PM UTC
I'm so glad to see, you've managed to fix the clear coat without having to start all over. Awesome job my friend.
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Posted: Monday, February 11, 2019 - 04:05 PM UTC
Hi Gabriel - quite an interesting read catching up on your progress - the body looks show room ready! It looks great - as does the rest of the build - Im sure your client will love this!

Cheers
Nick
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Posted: Monday, February 11, 2019 - 01:24 PM UTC

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Gabriel,
Those chrome strips under my rough handling would have most certainly be long gone by now.

Joel



Joel It's not about somebody's rough handling, it's all about the weakness of Alclads and acrylic clear coats.

UPDATE - Sweet revenge!
Finally, my efforts paid off with a nearly impeccable finish this evening. I checked and double checked my tools for contamination, I cleaned my airbrush again and made sure to run the painting booth's fan long before I started spraying. There are still inevitable specs of dried resin on the surface, but easy to knock off with a sponge once dried:






I still have to deal with the hood but that should be easy.

... and I guess that was it (for now).

Cheers!
Gabriel

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Posted: Monday, February 11, 2019 - 08:12 AM UTC
Gabriel,
Those chrome strips under my rough handling would have most certainly be long gone by now.

Joel
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Posted: Monday, February 11, 2019 - 07:51 AM UTC

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Gabriel
I completely forgot to post my comment on the hood as I was to busy on my soapbox.

I'm looking at the hood, and I'm a little confused as to the white area which I'm assuming is the bubble and just photographed that way, as there still is the base color coat, or have you sanded through it?

And yes, you're 100% correct that given the choice I'd go through the full rubbing out and polishing coats, followed by a application of wax.

Joel



It is the bare plastic. I had to use rough sanding sponge and the spot is rather tight... hence the damage. Ready to patch it out with couple of mist coats of base color.

UPDATE on the go
Normally I had no intention of taking this picture, but I just wanted to re-assure Joel that 2K worth every last penny. The car body sanded the same aggressive way as described above, with no damage to the base coat and - more important, to the chrome inserts. Under any other clear I know these chrome edges would have been since long gone...


Gabriel
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Posted: Monday, February 11, 2019 - 06:40 AM UTC
Gabriel
I completely forgot to post my comment on the hood as I was to busy on my soapbox.

I'm looking at the hood, and I'm a little confused as to the white area which I'm assuming is the bubble and just photographed that way, as there still is the base color coat, or have you sanded through it?

And yes, you're 100% correct that given the choice I'd go through the full rubbing out and polishing coats, followed by a application of wax.

Joel
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Posted: Monday, February 11, 2019 - 06:30 AM UTC
Gabriel my Friend,

Our clash of cultures really struck home just how lucky we here in the states are. Back in the 70's the culture, especially the youth culture was changing so fast it was hard to keep up. But generally we could speak our minds, dress the way we wanted to without fear, and lessen to any type of music we wanted to. That's something we've always taken for granted. Your words really drove home the point that not everyone enjoys those freedoms, and just how lucky we really are.

I'm really glade that you've found a country that grants you all those freedoms. And I sense that you appreciate them so much more then a lot of people here, especially my son's generation that takes all of this for granted.

Once again I need to get off my soapbox.

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Posted: Monday, February 11, 2019 - 05:20 AM UTC

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Gabriel,
In a sense, I'm glade that the 2K issue was caused by contamination and not a unknown reason for air bubbles. Although I didn't realize that 2K Urethane was that sensitive. One thing I've done for years on end is NOT use the traditional paint bush for mixing paints or clear coats. Looking forward to seeing how the paint body re-work came out.


Joel, we're sharing the happiness here! I am also glad it was my lack of attention and not some inherent "unknown" issues of 2K. That would have been certainly a party pooper!


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The only 3 (expensive to say the least) brushes I have for dedicated use since the 1070s is for decaling. And then the only decaling solutions they're used with are the Micro system and Walther's Solvaset. Mr.Mark Setter & Sol have their own included brushes. But the brushes aren't for only one solution, they're 3 different sizes for different size decals. I just wash of the brushes in the decal water and move on. Never had a single in all the years I've decaled this way.

For mixing paints and clears for air brushing I add the thinning agent 1st, then the product 2nd. I mix it with a stainless steel rod, then I cover the tip and use the back flow method to mix what's ever still at the base of the bowl. The SS rod cleans up 1-2-3 in LC. Works perfectly every time.

I've tried cleaning brushes that I had previously cleaned with LC and more times then not, I do get some residue material on the paper towel. So until I ever find the perfect cleaning method, I segregate my brushes by tasks.



Your example is to be followed, not mine!
I have "dedicated brushes" for oil washes and fine painting, even a few "mixer brushes".
My method is the opposite way: I add first the paint, then I add gradually thinner until I reach desired consistency, keeping stirring. Now: I have a couple of mixing paddles from Tamiya that work brilliantly and they are easy to clean, but I always end up by finishing the mix with a brush because I find more easy to check the paint viscosity with the "tissue test" using a brush. My mixing brushes are also dedicated brushes, but sometimes I mistake them. I clean the brushes in the same time with the mixing cup and the stripped AB in my ultrasound cleaner and the result is good. This time I must have forgotten because the hairs were contaminated with clear. Coincidentally, I've just seen a fellow youtuber using disposable mixing brushes and I think I will add a couple hundreds to my next Amazon order.


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Your hub caps really turned out perfectly in scale. Well worth your time and effort. They're all the same and perfectly even.


I agree that they look even, but they appear to me too heavily weathered. Some fine tuning is required there. I just hope I'm not gonna put myself in trouble yet again (like I don't like it )


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The Chassis and tub really looks exceptional now joined together. Your weathering and variation of tones really plays out quite well. Still, I love the effect you achieved on the exhaust system most of all.


I am (finally!) content with the looks. I guess you're comparing the finishing on the pipes with the finishing on the gas tank - Well, the gas tank is a little in falsetto but not that much to dislocate your retina - I've learn my lesson there as well.


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The engine compartment looks pretty realistic to me, as you did an excellent job replicating it. The rubber hose that missing if I can remember that far back is for the PCV valve.


Thanks for the precious information again. I'll try and find some Tamiya brake line from my Ducati - I'm not sure there is enough length left over. Yes, I'll try in the engine compartment the "cat strategy" and hide the poorly detailed firewall under a litter of cables Let's see how I'm gonna manage that, and if!


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Love the overall interior that you achieved with those washes.


I think this will be my "moment of glory" in this build... or I am only super-excited right now. I'm pretty sure next month I'll find a thousand faults when I'm going to go again over the pictures


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The radio did bring back some fond memories. Back in the mid 60s when we started to drive and cruise, all the radios were just AM, no FM as yet. Here in the NY Metro area, we only used the 1st 3 buttons: 660, 770,& 1010 as they were the only 3 Rock n Roll stations we had back then. Sorry guys for the flash back


Clash of cultures: I know I siphoned out now and then contemptuous remarks about the American Pop Culture, but if if I could chose my time and place, I would have been definitely the US in the sixties and seventies, with the liberty hanging free in the air and with the boom of rock-and-roll. I am incurable addicted to Led Zeppelin, Mammas and Pappas and alikes! Imagine I grew up in '80s in a Communist Country and I had friends picked up and sobered up in the Local Militia cellar for having in their possession an LP with Madonna! Fortunately we were a small town where anybody knew anybody and they got away with "only" slightly bruised faces and a brand new shiny haircut People were going to jail and were sentenced ten years hard labor for listening "The Voice of Free Europe". We all did, but a few were unlucky


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As for your windshield experiment, what I see is a thinner, tinted glass. So I'd say you achieved your goal in spades.


Yes, I will keep the "alien blood" for further use. The experiment is not complete yet: I want to see if a second bath will enhance the look even more (or the opposite).

Gabriel
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Posted: Monday, February 11, 2019 - 03:45 AM UTC
UPDATE: More on 2k

As said in my previous updates, I have registered for the first time a run. It was my poor application technique, no doubt. 48 hours later, that run transformed itself in a glass bead, impossible to remove without damaging the surrounding. The picture isn't that clear, but you'll make it out:


Now, to removing the contamination. I chose to do first the hood, because I was more worried about it. Here the contaminant was in the main coat, unlike the body where it is in the superficial 2K coat (the second one).
When well cured, 2K is very resilient at the surface. The only grit that manage to cut thru it is P220 (with my methods that is). Once the surface is broken, one can use the "usual suspects": Tamiya sanding sponges 1000 - 2000 - 3000 ...
And here I am, after 220 - 3000:

From there on, the modeler has two choices: go thru the polishing way - as probably Joel will do - with finishing compounds, or go to the troublesome way of applying another 2K diluted a little more than "standard recipe". I will chose, naturally, the second way: why not to beg for trouble if I can? The reason is different though: however good a "polished" finish will look, it will never match a "perfect" wet application.

To be continued...

Gabriel
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Posted: Monday, February 11, 2019 - 03:33 AM UTC
Gabriel,
In a sense, I'm glade that the 2K issue was caused by contamination and not a unknown reason for air bubbles. Although I didn't realize that 2K Urethane was that sensitive. One thing I've done for years on end is NOT use the traditional paint bush for mixing paints or clear coats. Looking forward to seeing how the paint body re-work came out.

The only 3 (expensive to say the least) brushes I have for dedicated use since the 1970s are for decaling. And then the only decaling solutions they're used with are the Micro system and Walther's Solvaset. Mr.Mark Setter & Sol have their own included brushes. But the brushes aren't for only one solution, they're 3 different sizes for different size decals. I just wash off the brushes in the decal water and move on. Never had a single in all the years I've decaled this way.

For mixing paints and clears for air brushing I add the thinning agent 1st, then the product 2nd. I mix it with a stainless steel rod, then I cover the tip and use the back flow method to mix what's ever still at the base of the bowl. The SS rod cleans up 1-2-3 in LC. Works perfectly every time.

I've tried cleaning brushes that I had previously cleaned with LC and more times then not, I do get some residue material on the paper towel. So until I ever find the perfect cleaning method, I segregate my brushes by tasks.

Your hub caps really turned out perfectly in scale. Well worth your time and effort. They're all the same and perfectly even.

The Chassis and tub really looks exceptional now joined together. Your weathering and variation of tones really plays out quite well. Still, I love the effect you achieved on the exhaust system most of all.

The engine compartment looks pretty realistic to me, as you did an excellent job replicating it. The rubber hose that's missing if I can remember that far back is for the PCV valve.

Love the overall interior that you achieved with those washes. The radio did bring back some fond memories. Back in the mid 60s when we started to drive and cruise, all the radios were just AM, no FM as yet. Here in the NY Metro area, we only used the 1st 3 buttons: 660, 770,& 1010 as they were the only 3 Rock n Roll stations we had back then. Sorry guys for the flash back

As for your windshield experiment, what I see is a thinner, tinted glass. So I'd say you achieved your goal in spades.


Joel
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Posted: Monday, February 11, 2019 - 03:27 AM UTC

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Wow Gabriel, what a mixed bag in the latest update! Very sorry to see the contamination in the 2K, hopefully it cleans up quickly and easily for you.


Thanks, D.! Yeah, I managed to spread myself all over the house I tried already to fix the 2k coat and it works (see the following update).

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The floor pan and chassis assembly looks amazing! As Jesper said, the use of several shades and gloss levels of black really paid off there, and the metallics work beautifully against the black base.


Yes, I'm glad I spent that extra-time in the attempt to make the various components distinguishable.


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The interior has come up very nicely as well, I love the detail on the upholstery. The stitching and panel inserts are really well done. What colour did you use for the wash? It sets off the details nicely.

Looking forward to the next instalment.

Cheers, D



The interior was my greatest bid, actually. I cannot recall if I ever did a light colored leather interior - and I think I didn't. Fortunately I found very good references.
The wash on the upholstery was done with Bourgeois LaFrance Transparent Brown - very expensive and very fine French artist's oils. I cannot find them anymore - at least not in my island. The pigment is unbelievable fine (invisible granulation) and have a superb adherence. It enriched nicely the "leather" tone, I agree, but it was too sharp and I had to "filter" the interior.
On the dash I used van Dyick Brown (the same one you have bought), just to avoid the need for another filter.

Gabriel
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Posted: Monday, February 11, 2019 - 03:18 AM UTC

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Bummer about the contaminated paint.

Killer job on the undercarriage. Your choice of various black tones really paid of.



Thank you, Jesper! Well, being absent-minded is not a modeling perk for sure! Happily the solution seems to be quite easy.

Gabriel
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Posted: Monday, February 11, 2019 - 01:24 AM UTC
Wow Gabriel, what a mixed bag in the latest update! Very sorry to see the contamination in the 2K, hopefully it cleans up quickly and easily for you.
The floor pan and chassis assembly looks amazing! As Jesper said, the use of several shades and gloss levels of black really paid off there, and the metallics work beautifully against the black base.
The interior has come up very nicely as well, I love the detail on the upholstery. The stitching and panel inserts are really well done. What colour did you use for the wash? It sets off the details nicely.

Looking forward to the next instalment.

Cheers, D