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Michael, this is just plain bad ass looking. Great job!
Bad ass indeed! I would love to have seen one in full flight.
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Bad ass indeed! I would love to have seen one in full flight.
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Well the second critical test fit, the rear.
It goes on, which is a start.
though it takes tape to hold it there.
The little pop up aero strip at the back has nice detail with the bolts to hold it in place.
But the issue preventing this from fitting is the tank fillers, left and right, which is a problem because they need to move forward and there is nowhere for them to go with the chassis in the way. You can see the small overhang in the wheel arches.
And speaking of wheel arches, here's a side on view that will be lost once the wheel is attached.
cheers
Michael
It goes on, which is a start.
though it takes tape to hold it there.
The little pop up aero strip at the back has nice detail with the bolts to hold it in place.
But the issue preventing this from fitting is the tank fillers, left and right, which is a problem because they need to move forward and there is nowhere for them to go with the chassis in the way. You can see the small overhang in the wheel arches.
And speaking of wheel arches, here's a side on view that will be lost once the wheel is attached.
cheers
Michael
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Posted: Saturday, September 05, 2020 - 04:41 PM UTC
Michael, for the scale and the level of detail, I find the fitment issues you are experiencing are rather acceptable. Seeing this coming closer to final shape must be very satisfying !
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Hi Michael, yes, Gabriel makes a good point - I wonder if you'll even notice them?
Or, does that filler cap keep the rear body panel from opening/closing correctly? If this were smaller, maybe you could file the filler opening up a bit to allow for a better fit? Would that work? or would it mess up the lines of the body? or result in what looks like a hole that's too big?
Looking great and looking forward to your update -
Cheers
Nick
Or, does that filler cap keep the rear body panel from opening/closing correctly? If this were smaller, maybe you could file the filler opening up a bit to allow for a better fit? Would that work? or would it mess up the lines of the body? or result in what looks like a hole that's too big?
Looking great and looking forward to your update -
Cheers
Nick
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Thanks guys!
Yes, they have to move because it stops front and back meeting. I had noticed when the front was on that the filler tubes were not up against the front shell. As they're metal and here is a couple of mms in it the fix won't be straightforward. It could also affect the rear opening. I haven't tried the hinge mechanism yet.
cheers
Michael
Yes, they have to move because it stops front and back meeting. I had noticed when the front was on that the filler tubes were not up against the front shell. As they're metal and here is a couple of mms in it the fix won't be straightforward. It could also affect the rear opening. I haven't tried the hinge mechanism yet.
cheers
Michael
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Posted: Sunday, September 06, 2020 - 07:38 AM UTC
Michael,
the rear suspension and brake assembly looks outstanding. Can you leave off a wheel or two so that those details can be seen once the build is complete?
As for the fuel filler tube issue preventing the rear body panel from matting correctly with the main body section, I thought along the same lines as Nick, why not just enlarge the opening until the rear shell properly aligns with the tub so that there's no over hang lip?
Joel
the rear suspension and brake assembly looks outstanding. Can you leave off a wheel or two so that those details can be seen once the build is complete?
As for the fuel filler tube issue preventing the rear body panel from matting correctly with the main body section, I thought along the same lines as Nick, why not just enlarge the opening until the rear shell properly aligns with the tub so that there's no over hang lip?
Joel
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A more radical approach would be to razor saw off the filler caps, mate up the body sections, then work out where the caps need to be and rework the tubes. I am in agreement with Nick and Joel though, open out the penetration to get things to fit, then tidy up the hole if it's too ugly.
Amazing work continuing here, that level of detail just blows me away. So much inspiration here for when I get further in to my big Chevy kits.
Cheers, D
Amazing work continuing here, that level of detail just blows me away. So much inspiration here for when I get further in to my big Chevy kits.
Cheers, D
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Great input guys. I thought I would show you gap on the front.
It will be nigh on impossible to move the metal parts. There is some leeway side to side on the right fuel tank filler but not front to back. No chance to move the oil filler
So I have to fill the front side and make the back bigger.
Thanks for your assistance.
cheers
Michael
It will be nigh on impossible to move the metal parts. There is some leeway side to side on the right fuel tank filler but not front to back. No chance to move the oil filler
So I have to fill the front side and make the back bigger.
Thanks for your assistance.
cheers
Michael
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Posted: Monday, September 07, 2020 - 06:18 AM UTC
Michael,
Just so I understand your plan of attack. You're going to remove the lip in the front wells by the addition of sheet plastic. For the rear deck to meet the main body section you're going to add a strip of sheet plastic to enlarge it.
Sure sounds like a workable and more then doable plan.
Joel
Just so I understand your plan of attack. You're going to remove the lip in the front wells by the addition of sheet plastic. For the rear deck to meet the main body section you're going to add a strip of sheet plastic to enlarge it.
Sure sounds like a workable and more then doable plan.
Joel
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Michael,
Just so I understand your plan of attack. You're going to remove the lip in the front wells by the addition of sheet plastic. For the rear deck to meet the main body section you're going to add a strip of sheet plastic to enlarge it.
Sure sounds like a workable and more then doable plan.
Joel
Joel, my understanding is that Michael will enlarge the hole in the rear deck and "shim" the hole in the front deck so that they become a neat fit around the filler tubes once the front and rear meet up.
Cheers, D
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Quoted TextMichael,
Just so I understand your plan of attack. You're going to remove the lip in the front wells by the addition of sheet plastic. For the rear deck to meet the main body section you're going to add a strip of sheet plastic to enlarge it.
Sure sounds like a workable and more then doable plan.
Joel
Joel, my understanding is that Michael will enlarge the hole in the rear deck and "shim" the hole in the front deck so that they become a neat fit around the filler tubes once the front and rear meet up.
Cheers, D
Yes, Damian is right that is the plan. I bit more research to make sure that have unintended consequences elsewhere then I will give it a go.
cheers
Michael
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Yes, Damian is right that is the plan. I bit more research to make sure that have unintended consequences elsewhere then I will give it a go.
"The Law of Unintended Consequences", the bane of scale modelers everywhere!
In my books, it's right up there with "Murphy's Law" at the top of my hate list.
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Quoted TextYes, Damian is right that is the plan. I bit more research to make sure that have unintended consequences elsewhere then I will give it a go.
"The Law of Unintended Consequences", the bane of scale modelers everywhere!
In my books, it's right up there with "Murphy's Law" at the top of my hate list.
In my book, Murphy was an optimist. By my definition, what ever can not wrong will go wrong.
Murphy's Law of the Universe: In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.
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Well here's a post for the detail junkies!
In between sessions of filling and sanding body parts in prep for painting I took some time out to do some building - to be precise, the headlights.
In most 1/24 scale cars the headlights might be one or two pieces, a clear lens over a chrome shell possibly. MFH go to town on the lights, 52 pieces for the four lights! Not surprisingly, it took a couple of hours.
Each light has a metal ring attached to the body by four screws. The screws also fix U shaped supports.
Another ring is placed on top to hold the light fitting
The light fittings are turned aluminium. Clear resin bulbs are provided.
And clear resin lenses finish the light off.
Test fitted along with the front radiator grill.
Body shells are ready for paint now so should have some photos shortly I hope. Need some fine warmer weather since I have decided to use Tamiya Fine Primer as the first base coat on the resin.
cheers
Michael
In between sessions of filling and sanding body parts in prep for painting I took some time out to do some building - to be precise, the headlights.
In most 1/24 scale cars the headlights might be one or two pieces, a clear lens over a chrome shell possibly. MFH go to town on the lights, 52 pieces for the four lights! Not surprisingly, it took a couple of hours.
Each light has a metal ring attached to the body by four screws. The screws also fix U shaped supports.
Another ring is placed on top to hold the light fitting
The light fittings are turned aluminium. Clear resin bulbs are provided.
And clear resin lenses finish the light off.
Test fitted along with the front radiator grill.
Body shells are ready for paint now so should have some photos shortly I hope. Need some fine warmer weather since I have decided to use Tamiya Fine Primer as the first base coat on the resin.
cheers
Michael
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52 parts, for the headlights. Sounds like a potential detail junkie overdose 
Looks amazing
Looks amazing
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Worth every minute spent on the 52 parts, those headlights look absolutely real! That front-on view is so cool as well, what I imagine from a rear bumper mounted camera during the race!
Keep up the awesome work, this build is EPIC!!
Cheers, D
Keep up the awesome work, this build is EPIC!!
Cheers, D
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Hi Michael,
The headlights look great! well worth the effort, and I suppose modeling patience! And, like D said, the photo of the front end is great! that car means business!
Looking forward to seeing more. I have this kit in 1/24, but have been putting off tackling it for fear of dealing with the chassis and getting the body to remain operable. Your build will be a great reference! And, a helpful map of what to watch out for - like the challenges with the front end plumbing!
Cheers
Nick
The headlights look great! well worth the effort, and I suppose modeling patience! And, like D said, the photo of the front end is great! that car means business!
Looking forward to seeing more. I have this kit in 1/24, but have been putting off tackling it for fear of dealing with the chassis and getting the body to remain operable. Your build will be a great reference! And, a helpful map of what to watch out for - like the challenges with the front end plumbing!
Cheers
Nick
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Looking better, n better Michael 
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52 parts, for the headlights. Sounds like a potential detail junkie overdose
Looks amazing
You're right Jesper. Detail overdose it is but a nice way to understand what Porsche did to build the car, and I guess for me, the more complex the construction the more satisfaction if it turns out right
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Posted: Wednesday, September 16, 2020 - 11:57 AM UTC
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Worth every minute spent on the 52 parts, those headlights look absolutely real! That front-on view is so cool as well, what I imagine from a rear bumper mounted camera during the race!
Keep up the awesome work, this build is EPIC!!
Cheers, D
Thanks Damian! Epic it may be but I'm now more worried it is taking an epoch to build.
And I agree, it does look very cool front on!
cheers
Michael
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Posted: Wednesday, September 16, 2020 - 12:01 PM UTC
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Hi Michael,
The headlights look great! well worth the effort, and I suppose modeling patience! And, like D said, the photo of the front end is great! that car means business!
Looking forward to seeing more. I have this kit in 1/24, but have been putting off tackling it for fear of dealing with the chassis and getting the body to remain operable. Your build will be a great reference! And, a helpful map of what to watch out for - like the challenges with the front end plumbing!
Cheers
Nick
Ah yes, the operating rear body and doors. (Does the 1/24 kit have opening doors?) I have worries about the hinges for both. From my trial dry fitting, it seems that these will not operate like a diecast model that has opening elements. I think they will open, look good in the photos, then take some finessing to get back into place. We should have a definite answer in the next week or two.
cheers
Michael
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Looking better, n better Michael
Cheers Russ, hopefully that trend continues
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After ticking off the headlights, another step put to rest - the wheels
The gold pinstripes were pretty difficult to manage - MFH have unusual decals - so not all them are perfectly round.
The hub colours are interesting. You see them, just, on some of the old colour photos but I think they disappeared pretty quickly under the brake dust and track dust. They don't see to be replicated on any of the restored 917s.
cheers
Michael
The gold pinstripes were pretty difficult to manage - MFH have unusual decals - so not all them are perfectly round.
The hub colours are interesting. You see them, just, on some of the old colour photos but I think they disappeared pretty quickly under the brake dust and track dust. They don't see to be replicated on any of the restored 917s.
cheers
Michael
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Posted: Wednesday, September 16, 2020 - 03:08 PM UTC
Hi Michael,
Fortunately for me, no the doors aren’t operable! Yay! - But, there are 47 steps in the build....and, rear opens - or, it’s supposed to! Haha. I will eventually give it a go, in the mean time, I’ll enjoy watching your progress!
Cheers
Nick
Fortunately for me, no the doors aren’t operable! Yay! - But, there are 47 steps in the build....and, rear opens - or, it’s supposed to! Haha. I will eventually give it a go, in the mean time, I’ll enjoy watching your progress!
Cheers
Nick
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Posted: Monday, September 21, 2020 - 06:56 AM UTC
Michael,
In my wildest dreams as a modeler, there's just no way that I could have even thought that a plain Jane headlight could comprise of 52 pcs. Not only that, but the skills needed for such a highly detailed assembly is something I just can't get my head around. Yet, you built 4 of them, and they all look perfect. Needless to say once again I'm truly impressed.
As for those wheels and tires, boy do they look real. The Firestone logos certainly looks stenciled on, yet they were decals. What is different about these decals from what most of us are use to?
Interesting colors used on the wheels. I wonder why they bothered as you said in just a few laps track dirt, grime, and mostly brake dust would have covered them completely. And as you said, I've also never saw any Porsche wheels restored like those wheels. Must have been done for a reason, as Porsche never wasted time nor funds for just a different look.
Joel
In my wildest dreams as a modeler, there's just no way that I could have even thought that a plain Jane headlight could comprise of 52 pcs. Not only that, but the skills needed for such a highly detailed assembly is something I just can't get my head around. Yet, you built 4 of them, and they all look perfect. Needless to say once again I'm truly impressed.
As for those wheels and tires, boy do they look real. The Firestone logos certainly looks stenciled on, yet they were decals. What is different about these decals from what most of us are use to?
Interesting colors used on the wheels. I wonder why they bothered as you said in just a few laps track dirt, grime, and mostly brake dust would have covered them completely. And as you said, I've also never saw any Porsche wheels restored like those wheels. Must have been done for a reason, as Porsche never wasted time nor funds for just a different look.
Joel
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