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Beemax 1/24 scale 1992 BMW M3 E30 EVO II
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Posted: Sunday, September 13, 2020 - 01:03 AM UTC
Undersides look very good, Joel!
The plastic roughness can be a by-product of using too strong primers as well. When I encounter the situation, I spray a second coat of thick primer and polish it fine.

You might try the ultra-diluted finishing coat, if you're ready to take the risk.

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Posted: Sunday, September 13, 2020 - 10:00 AM UTC
David & D,
Thanks guys for the support. Glad that you like how the under side of the chassis turned out. Maybe I should display it when done with it top side down so that the bottom side is now the top side

The body just isn't what I've come to expect. But I'm going to live with it as in person it looks ok. No worse then the 1st few builds I posted here. Both of these are ok at best.





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Posted: Sunday, September 13, 2020 - 10:06 AM UTC
Gabriel,
The roughness mostly is from how they molded the shell. I just did a really poor job of preparation. I always polish out the primer coat with a piece of Tamiya 3,000 sponge.

As for the color coat, I add about 25% more thinner to the final coat that really gives you a deep, smooth shine. Usually same for the clear gloss. I could always give it another super diluted wet clear gloss coat. Not sure I actually did it this time as I was already a very unhappy camper.

The issue is that the shell has it's 1st coat of wax. Don't really want to rub it down with Alcohol as I'm not sure what it will do to the clear coat or for that matter if it gets to the decals.

Joel
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Posted: Sunday, September 13, 2020 - 10:10 AM UTC
Joel, it's like what I said to Nick. Your disappointing results are still better than my best. For me, if I could get results that good I'd be ecstatic, I simply lack the patience and talent.
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Posted: Sunday, September 13, 2020 - 11:59 AM UTC
David,
My level of modeling is just someone whose mastered the basics, that's all. I suck at scratch building, conversions, and I have almost no original ideas or concepts. Believe me, the truly gifted modelers are like HG over at Aeroscale whose literally redoing Brian's super detailed B-17F to a level that few of us can even comprehend.

You have the skills to achieve the vast majority of builds here at whatever level you want to. It just takes a commitment and a plan tp master whatever skill you feel you need to improve on. That's what I did, and still do.

I have little to no patience, so at times I'm my own worst enemy.

As Mr. Miyagi use to always say: Focus Danielson, Focus. That's another skill/trait that I truly lack which shows up in my modeling all the time.

What we all have in common is enjoying our modeling hobby and sharing it. that's what makes all of this worth while for me, as it does for you.

Joel
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Posted: Sunday, September 13, 2020 - 12:11 PM UTC
Hi Joel,
Sorry to read about your paint issues. I was looking forwarded to seeing this.If you're really set on the Jägermeister finish, I am happy to send you mine from the same kit. Let me know if you're interested.

cheers
Michael
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Posted: Sunday, September 13, 2020 - 12:11 PM UTC
Been a bit absent of late Joel...

Nonetheless it's great to see you've been busy and nicely so, too

How's that eye surgery recovery going?
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Posted: Monday, September 14, 2020 - 12:32 AM UTC
Russell,
Thanks for stopping by and checking out my progress to date. While I'm not thrilled with the overall finish of the body, as I said, it's totally my fault for not spending the proper amount of time prepping the raw shell as it was really pretty rough. More like what you'd find on a piece of armor. I just figured that with the primer coats, color coats, and gloss coats, that it would turn out OK. As you can see in the picture, there's areas of the shell that still have that rough texture. It's not Orange peel as every layer of the painting process was rubbed out as I usually do.

So mow with Michael's most generous offer, I'm thinking about a total strip and a complete redo. the issue is that in person, the body does look ok, and I'm not so sure that I want to start from scratch again.

And thanks for asking about my eye surgery. The Cataract surgery went fine. Next week I'll finally get my exams for new bifocals, and computer glasses. I'm still trying to come to terms with the other two eye diseases, which the treatment that may or may not have any effect are shots in both eyes every month for basically the rest of my life, and they're super expensive. Last time I had them the part of the bill I was responsible for after insurance and grant money was $1,000/month. Can't afford that, and the treatments aren't fun for sure. You do feel the needles to some extent. Now I have Medicare and Supplement Part B insurance which I'm assuming covers even less.

So my plan for now is to do absolutely nothing about those other eye issues. And the Wife is having cataract surgery in both of her eyes. Plus I still might have the other eye done as well.

Just can't tell you how much fun it is getting old.

Joel
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Posted: Monday, September 14, 2020 - 12:49 AM UTC

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Hi Joel,
Sorry to read about your paint issues. I was looking forwarded to seeing this.If you're really set on the Jägermeister finish, I am happy to send you mine from the same kit. Let me know if you're interested.

cheers
Michael



Michael,
Thanks so much for the offer. If nothing else it forced me to look at the entire body, and decide if it's that bad to warrant a a total strip down, and then start all the prep work again. I'm not even so sure that I can get into enough of the nooks and crannies to take care of those issue areas.

In any event, the vast majority of the shell is more then passable, so I'm just going to finish the build to my usual standards, post my final pics on my two car modeling sites, and learned another valuable modeling lessen: No short cuts, no assumptions, no thinking that down the road a issue will magically resolve itself. and stick to the basics that I know work for me. I have one friend on my other list whose a fantastic modeler, way better then me for sure. His golden rule is never move on to the next step till the current step is perfect or as perfect as you can get it. Wise words for every modeler at every skill level.

Again, thanks for the offer, it's really greatly appreciated.

As I mentioned a few times, all my other Beemax, Nunu, and Platz kits had/have the normal super smooth bodies. Just not sure why this kit has this issue. I'm hoping that your body shell is smooth as silk.

Joel
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Posted: Monday, September 14, 2020 - 07:52 AM UTC
Hi Joel,

The paint result is strange - especially after having seen so many of your projects that turn out so well. I wonder, should you decide to strip if down, if it might work to sand the whole body down, like doing body work on a real car? I've used those sanding sticks (?) the kind that look like finger nail files?

They're not cheap (last time I saw them $20 for a bag!) but, they do a nice job, and result in a smooth surface for painting. Or, as others have said, as a whole the car looks good - maybe just call it done, and line up something new to build! The hobby is supposed to be fun!

Stay well-

Cheers
Nick
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Posted: Monday, September 14, 2020 - 09:37 AM UTC
Nick,
Thanks for stopping by and your suggestions. The issue as I said was my laziness in not taking enough time to properly prep the body. For some reason it just had a rough texture. None of my other Beemax/Nunu/Platz builds had that issue.

Hopefully, when I get both new pairs of glasses and can actually see what the heck I'm trying to do, my next build will be up to my usual standards.

Michael has offered me his set of decals if I wanted to strip and repaint as he's going to be doing the white BMW factory FINA paint scheme.

One min I'm ready to strip it bare and start over again, and the next min I'm accepting it as it is. Just gotta really think about this for a few more days as I have both the Retina specialist, and the eye surgeon to see this week, and then whomever does my exam for both pars of glasses. I'm betting that my vision will be exactly as it was before due to the Retina disease.

BTW, did I tell you that I finally got the Roush Mustang kit that your built but with the Miller High Life decals from Indy Cal, and the Ford GTP car that Lyn St. James crashed and destroyed. I
Joel



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Posted: Wednesday, September 16, 2020 - 12:09 AM UTC

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Russell,
Thanks for stopping by and checking out my progress to date. While I'm not thrilled with the overall finish of the body, as I said, it's totally my fault for not spending the proper amount of time prepping the raw shell as it was really pretty rough. More like what you'd find on a piece of armor. I just figured that with the primer coats, color coats, and gloss coats, that it would turn out OK. As you can see in the picture, there's areas of the shell that still have that rough texture. It's not Orange peel as every layer of the painting process was rubbed out as I usually do.

So mow with Michael's most generous offer, I'm thinking about a total strip and a complete redo. the issue is that in person, the body does look ok, and I'm not so sure that I want to start from scratch again.

And thanks for asking about my eye surgery. The Cataract surgery went fine. Next week I'll finally get my exams for new bifocals, and computer glasses. I'm still trying to come to terms with the other two eye diseases, which the treatment that may or may not have any effect are shots in both eyes every month for basically the rest of my life, and they're super expensive. Last time I had them the part of the bill I was responsible for after insurance and grant money was $1,000/month. Can't afford that, and the treatments aren't fun for sure. You do feel the needles to some extent. Now I have Medicare and Supplement Part B insurance which I'm assuming covers even less.

So my plan for now is to do absolutely nothing about those other eye issues. And the Wife is having cataract surgery in both of her eyes. Plus I still might have the other eye done as well.

Just can't tell you how much fun it is getting old.

Joel



Wow Joel! $1,000/month!

I've often thought of the health care system as more of a disease management system designed to fleece the customer (the patient) of as much money as possible...

Good to hear you're recovering well from the surgery.

All the best to your wife for her's and also to you if decide to go ahead with the 2nd eye
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Posted: Wednesday, September 16, 2020 - 02:52 AM UTC
Russell,
That's about what our health care system has turned into. Thanks for the well wishes for my wife, it's much appreciated.

Joel
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Posted: Wednesday, September 16, 2020 - 12:09 PM UTC

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Hi Joel,
Sorry to read about your paint issues. I was looking forwarded to seeing this.If you're really set on the Jägermeister finish, I am happy to send you mine from the same kit. Let me know if you're interested.

cheers
Michael



Michael,
Thanks so much for the offer. If nothing else it forced me to look at the entire body, and decide if it's that bad to warrant a a total strip down, and then start all the prep work again. I'm not even so sure that I can get into enough of the nooks and crannies to take care of those issue areas.

In any event, the vast majority of the shell is more then passable, so I'm just going to finish the build to my usual standards, post my final pics on my two car modeling sites, and learned another valuable modeling lessen: No short cuts, no assumptions, no thinking that down the road a issue will magically resolve itself. and stick to the basics that I know work for me. I have one friend on my other list whose a fantastic modeler, way better then me for sure. His golden rule is never move on to the next step till the current step is perfect or as perfect as you can get it. Wise words for every modeler at every skill level.

Again, thanks for the offer, it's really greatly appreciated.

As I mentioned a few times, all my other Beemax, Nunu, and Platz kits had/have the normal super smooth bodies. Just not sure why this kit has this issue. I'm hoping that your body shell is smooth as silk.

Joel



No problems Joel, glad it helped you reach a decision!
I had a look at the M3 and it seems fine but I don't have any other of those cars from Beemax etc to compare with though I am going to change that shortly as I want to get a couple of there rally cars that they're starting to produce.

cheers
Michael
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Posted: Thursday, September 17, 2020 - 12:34 AM UTC
Michael,
You'd feel the roughness for sure. Glad that you have one of their normal shells.

I'm thinking of doing another wet clear coat, followed by a 25% additional thinned final wet clear coat. My theory is more shine, less noticeable the rough textured areas are. My only issue is that I have no idea how to remove the wax that I've applied to protect from constant handling. Even Iso will react with the clear lacquer coat. I'm thinking that just the wet coat will dissolve the super thin wax coating.

And as for your venture into rally cars, I've been thinking about the same thing starting with the old Group B insane cars as a change of pace from my normal type of builds.

Joel
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Posted: Thursday, September 17, 2020 - 10:01 AM UTC

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Michael,
You'd feel the roughness for sure. Glad that you have one of their normal shells.

I'm thinking of doing another wet clear coat, followed by a 25% additional thinned final wet clear coat. My theory is more shine, less noticeable the rough textured areas are. My only issue is that I have no idea how to remove the wax that I've applied to protect from constant handling. Even Iso will react with the clear lacquer coat. I'm thinking that just the wet coat will dissolve the super thin wax coating.

And as for your venture into rally cars, I've been thinking about the same thing starting with the old Group B insane cars as a change of pace from my normal type of builds.

Joel



My thoughts exactly. I am going to get the Audi Quattro S1 and the Lancia Delta S4 and try a Damian type double build.

cheers
Michael
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Posted: Thursday, September 17, 2020 - 12:54 PM UTC

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I've been thinking about the same thing starting with the old Group B insane cars as a change of pace from my normal type of builds.




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I am going to get the Audi Quattro S1 and the Lancia Delta S4 and try a Damian type double build.





And so it begins!
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Posted: Friday, September 18, 2020 - 01:51 AM UTC
Michael,
Now there's two iconic World Rally Cars that even I've heard of. Should be a great double build.

I'm thinking that my new build schedule will start to look more like this: Open Wheel, any Tin Top that raced on a closed race course, and a Rally Car for starters.

Hey D, Oh how right you are. Another great auto modeling adventure. I may actually learn a few things about a type of racing that I no almost nothing about. And then, who knows, maybe a venture into Tamiya 1/12 scale bikes.

Joel

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Posted: Sunday, September 20, 2020 - 06:02 AM UTC
Time for another small update.

As I posted earlier this week, I've decided to try to remove the wax finish with Dawn detergent, then reapply the Gloss Clear wet coats, buff out, and wax once again. I'm not expecting any miracles, but rather hoping for a little better depth to the shine. So that's this week's upcoming focus.

So my attention focused on finishing up the interior, wheels, and tires.

The kit BBS wheels are ok, nothing special in terms of fidelity to scale as they're a little, shall I say on the chunky side. I primed them with Gunge light Gray #1500 primer sealer, then AB'd the center sections Tamiya X-32 Titanium Silver. In real life the centers are a matt finish so the Tamiya paint is just perfect in appearance. The rims are Mig Ammo Polished Steel to represent Polished Aluminum. The pictures don't really show the shine at all. The tires are a weird type of rubber. Soft to the touch, and for the 1st time any gloss base just beaded right up. Even Pledge didn't work. So I applied the decals over drops of Micro Set as even it just beaded up. Couldn't touch the decals as they just moved. I let the Set settle in and dry, then brushed on Micro Sol. Same deal, the decals moved at the slightest touch. So I also let the solution soak in and dry. Then out came my big Guns: Walthers Solvaset. A really heavy dose and then left the decals to soak all of it up, & dry off. Next day the decals were all nicely settled in with no flash or Silvering. Talk about dumb luck. The wheels were then installed on the axles.



The roll cage and interior were previously primed and painted with Gravity Brun Jagmeister Orange. A couple of coats of Gunze Clear gloss gave the interior the correct shiny look. All the rest of the parts were primed with #1500 Black primer. Now my attention turned to the seat. I'm so use to seeing all of the Touring car seats being made from carbon fiber, that I just assumed the same applied in this case. But when I checked my references, I could clearly see that the seat shell was Fiber Glass with a leather insert. The seat looks more like a Yellowish Green and pretty dirty. I tried a few colors I had and nothing came close. I still have some of my aircraft paints, so I took a look, and what do you know? There was a full bottle of Tamiya Yellow Green Zinc Chromate. Darn, if it didn't look perfect. I decided to brush coat it on as I wanted to paint to pool up around the sides and the frame of the seat. 6 coats with 30 min between coats, and I had the look I was after.





Next up was the 6 way seat harness. The detail up set had all the various PE buckles and latches, as well as a red ribbon for the belt material. So I started on my two day adventure. Not being able to see these little parts just made it all that more fun to deal with. I ended up making several compromises, but the end results look ok, and honestly, better then I expected. All I've got left to do is glue the shoulder harness straps to the top back of the seat so that they have a more realistic droopy appearance.



Joel
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Posted: Sunday, September 20, 2020 - 07:43 AM UTC
Looking phenomenal Joel. That interior is alive and the paining on the wheels makes them really pop.
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Posted: Sunday, September 20, 2020 - 08:37 AM UTC
David,
Thanks for stopping by and checking out my update. So glad that you liked what you saw.

Joel
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Posted: Sunday, September 20, 2020 - 12:01 PM UTC
Great update Joel, every little added item is building a really complete picture of the "office" here!

Never throw out your aircraft paints, you never know when they will be needed

Looking forward to more progress.

Cheers, D
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Posted: Monday, September 21, 2020 - 01:24 AM UTC
Thanks D,
Yep, I kept almost all of the standard colors for aircraft modeling, and actually do use a few colors.

Hope to wrap up the Bimmer this week or next at the latest. Then it's on to the next GB with the Shelby 427ci Cobra.

Joel
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Posted: Tuesday, September 22, 2020 - 10:44 PM UTC
Looking really nice in the Orange, Joel
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Posted: Tuesday, September 22, 2020 - 11:57 PM UTC
Russell,
Thanks so much for stopping by. It's certainly much appreciated.

With any kind of good luck, she'll be crossing the finish line this weekend for sure. One dumb ass issue popped up on a test fit of the chassis to the body, the rear wheels are to wide to correctly fit in the wheels, causing some serious Camber issues. Being Beemax's 1st GT kit, these type of issues should be expected. Just not sure how I'll deal with the issue at this point.

Joel